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hey everybody hope you're having an

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awesome day uh we're supposed to be

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recording Abby Loeb today and he is

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about three minutes late so uh we're

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hoping it's just technological uh

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difficulties I mean he is a Harvard

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Professor he's a big guy busy guy any

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guy must have read the email you know

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it's uh 11 11 A.M Pacific 2 p.m Eastern

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here we are 1104. so we're hoping he

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joins us but uh we have a full plethora

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of things to ask him about there's a lot

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going on uh he's writing reports on

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motherships he is exploring the ocean uh

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I mean he's doing things for the

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government he's continuing his

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scientific based approach and I want to

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kind of put him on the spot a little bit

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today because I really like him but a

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lot of people give him a hard time and

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they say maybe he's a little you know

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plays it safe or is a little reluctant

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to go into certain UFO Realms and that

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kind of thing so I want to find out like

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who is Avi lope and I think he's humble

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enough and he knows us enough by now he

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won't take offense but I want to ask him

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who are you like what's motivating you

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where are you coming from and you know

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what's what's behind it all so like

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we're gonna Oprah we're just gonna get

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Oprah on him you know we do that anyway

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don't we yeah I know but just let's be

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extra Oprah today just and we'll get a

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tissue box yeah and uh but Oprah gave

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stuff away like the last few years of

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her career she was giving away cars and

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houses we're podcasters we don't have

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that budget we don't get that kind of no

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not that kind of money anyway we'll roll

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the we'll roll the music here uh oh by

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the way we want to give a shout out to

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contact in the desert obvious gonna be

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uh um doing a remote

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um uh lecture with that and we'll give

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uh we'll run the music Jay and hopefully

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welcome back everybody to another

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episode of UAP studies podcast my name

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is Louis Borges joining me as always my

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good buddy and co-host Jason Gilman hey

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I am very very happy to be here today

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Louie because we have Abby Loeb it's

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been two weeks actually since Louie and

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I have recorded anything and I am

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nervous as heck this morning because we

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got two interviews and the first one

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after a two-week break is none other

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than Professor Avi Loeb so I I'm like I

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said you guys are going to have to hold

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me today because I'm barely hanging on

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I'm just uh yeah okay we got you man if

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you fall we'll catch you trust fall yeah

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and uh as many of you know Avi lobe is a

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theoretical physicist the chair of

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astronomy for Harvard University

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best-selling author and the head of the

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Galileo project and Avi something funny

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happened before the show we're five

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minutes late and I'm thinking how does a

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Harvard Professor not get the time right

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on the email and you just told us

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something amazing that you may have

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discovered in the early hours this

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morning that could potentially change

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physics in general rules so welcome to

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the show and why are you five minutes

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late thank you well you know I should

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first confess that half of my DNA is

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German and I should be punctual but my

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when I was on time was the first day

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that's what my wife said because after

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that I got her attention I was not on

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uh this morning I came across an idea

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that could potentially reveal the nature

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of dark matter

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and that was very exciting

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um and it came by chance there is some

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new data I cannot discuss it at the

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moment because we have to make sure that

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it works but this is an example of how

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science is done you just um try to

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interpret data that looks puzzling and

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actually anyone in the field would agree

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that it's puzzling and we looked at

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various explanations and all of them did

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not agree with this data and and this is

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completely new data publicly available

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and we were about to write together with

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my collaborator hamsa padmanaban who I

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textbook on the first galaxies and came

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to me and said that she learned a lot

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the pretty much planning how to write a

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paper by which we will admit that all

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possible solutions have a problem okay

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because quantitatively they cannot

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explain the data in a natural way and we

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were about to go that direction and then

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possibility and why don't we check

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whether we can explain it that way and

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the thing is that this other possibility

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if it works tells us something about the

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dark matter and there is only one free

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parameter there and there is no way to

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fit a complex data set just with one

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parameter if it's not real you know so

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this is the beauty of physics that if if

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it's correct then things click and also

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it will explain some past anomalies

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about the dark matter that were not

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explained so stay tuned we are working

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on it and then it's just an example for

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how science can be exciting it doesn't

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need to be boring you just have to think

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outside the box sometimes and we can

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talk about it in the context of UAP if

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you want yeah and I mean you are very

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humble and you minimize that but let's

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think about that if you have discovered

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things that are so enigmatic when it

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comes to Dark Matter every physicist is

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chasing that if you've literally figured

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that out this is Nobel Prize material

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and you guys are hearing about it first

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on UAP studies so we're very happy that

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you shared this with us again we're here

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to chat uaps but in understanding UAP is

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understanding science you are a

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scientist you always say I'm using the

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scientific method you know you get a lot

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of uh a lot of people throw stones

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wanted to ask about that because we know

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you you know we chat before the show and

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we've had you on about six months ago so

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we understand you we know you're

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rhetoric and a lot of these people that

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are just debunkers or want to throw

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stones may not so to clear that up you

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know who is avilobe is there a UFO

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strictly a science Expedition is this

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humanitarian based like what is

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motivating you to do what you do right

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well it has nothing to do with ulterior

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motives it's basically following the

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evidence and just like in the case of

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dark matter we were talking about by the

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way I'm not sure it will solve it it's

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working progress what we discussed but

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the point is if there is intriguing

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evidence

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you know you better get more data or try

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to figure it out the scientific way and

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this requires work okay this requires

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expertise you have to learn what physics

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is about you have to to learn about

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the laws of physics before you think

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about new physics that's Elementary

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right I mean Pablo Picasso when he

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started painting he didn't paint cubism

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on the first few pictures that he

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painted he painted realistically that

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was the traditional way you can't invent

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disruptive innovation without knowing

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the fundamentals of what was done

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beforehand and that's what a lot of

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people in the public do not understand

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they just sit on their sofa and say oh

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well the hole in the cloud is no physics

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you know it could be uh perhaps a

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wormhole or some portal for faster than

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light travel why not why not use quantum

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teleportation all kinds of crazy ideas

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and the point is that's not the way

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science is done in order to argue for

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new physics you need you need Exquisite

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data that doesn't leave you any other

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possible interpretation in other words

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there is no other option but new physics

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that's the only way to find new physics

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whereas a lot of people think oh I have

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some crappy data uh I don't measure the

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distances to some dark objects above

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Ukraine and therefore there is new

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physics associated with these UAP that

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the astronomers reported above Ukraine

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and I say if you don't have distance

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measurements then don't argue for new

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physics just argue for lower distances

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so that these are artillery shells okay

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that's common sense so I'm not

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subscribing to any fantasy I'm just

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trying to say we need to gather evidence

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if we see something intriguing you know

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like dark objects above Ukraine okay

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then go ahead and do triangulation and

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make sure you know the distance and only

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then start talking about dark objects at

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a distance of 10 kilometers above the

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that before you measure distances okay

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that's Elementary but when I point this

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out a lot of Believers quote unquote are

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attack me and I say look science is not

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a matter of belief okay it's not like

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religion it's not like politics it's not

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an matter of opinion there is a reality

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out there and what that means is the

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reality is out there all you need to do

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is collect more information about that

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reality okay so that you can figure out

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what's going on just like a detective

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story okay of course you can jump to

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conclusions immediately and then you

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will be wrong most of the time if a

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detective would just see a few elements

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of the crime scene and say I know who

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the criminal is forget about it let's

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move on then that detective might be

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fired within a day because that's not

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the way to to reach conclusions but in

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the context of UAP in the context of

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politics in the context of religion it

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works because there are groups of people

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that invented the storyline and they all

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support each other believing this

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storyline in all these contexts politics

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religion UAP and they support each other

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and then you have another Camp of people

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like skeptic so that also invent the

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storyline completely arbitrarily just

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like the other group and they fight each

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other and they say thing things about

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each other and they hate each other now

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in politics it leads to polarization the

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country is torn apart and violence is

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initiated when the two herds you know

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like the two groups uh confront each

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other because both of them make no sense

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you know like they are not instead what

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the intelligent approach would be is in

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the context of scientific matters like

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UAP let's not invent a storyline to

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start with let's just collect data

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evidence and let it guide us because

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after all without seeing unusual objects

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in the sky without detecting the first

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Interstellar objects for me as an

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astronomer I would never be intrigued so

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I was not approaching it if you ask who

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is avilob Avila was never interested in

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extraterrestrials to start with the only

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reason I got to this is because there

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was this object of that looked strange

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and weird and I wrote a book about it

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and then everyone attacked me in the

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scientific community and I said the hell

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if they attack me just because I'm

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paying attention to evidence uh I will

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continue to pay attention to evidence

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why should I back down on that and then

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the other people the Believers of UAP

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being ex they also attacked me when I

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try to apply the scientific method I

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don't care about these groups I'm not

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motivated by being popular I don't care

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how many likes I have on Twitter it's

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completely relevant if you ask me what

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defines my Approach it's basically my

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childhood I was a kid born on a farm I'm

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connected to Nature I respect nature

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more than the gospel I don't care what

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people say that's completely irrelevant

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because people were wrong over and over

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again people want to empower themselves

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they want us to be at the center of the

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world center of the universe turned out

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to be wrong sorry about that Galileo

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suffered they put him in house arrest

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today they would have canceled him on

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social media who cares the Earth

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continue to move around the Sun that's

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what I said before reality is whatever

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it is even even if you don't look at it

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it Remains the Same it's your problem

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because you don't adapt to it you don't

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get the information about it with your

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storyline so the storyline of the

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Catholic church was the Earth is at the

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center of the universe okay that was the

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storyline everyone believed it because

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it flattered their ego you know the the

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clergy believed in it because it gave

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them political political power and as a

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result of that because of this political

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power that was based on the idea that

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God pays attention to the whereabouts of

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people they wanted to enforce this

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Doctrine and when Galileo argued

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otherwise they put him in house arrest

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so that's an example of scientific truth

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which is pushed away but it doesn't

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change the the fact that reality is

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described by it and you know there was

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this famous quote by uh schopenhauer the

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philosopher who said that any truth goes

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through three stages the first one is

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that it's ridiculed okay that's what

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Galileo went through that that's what

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UAP studies go through it's ridicule so

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people are not engaged even in checking

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whether it's right or wrong just have an

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opinion the second phase is that it's

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being

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opposed by people saying it's not true

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okay so that's that's a situation where

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they actually engage with the idea but

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they say it's not true it's wrong and so

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forth and the third stage is when

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everyone says oh it's self-evident and

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in fact because talked about it for many

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so how do you transition from one stage

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to another the only way is by collecting

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evidence so that it will be indisputable

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beyond the Reasonable Doubt now you ask

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why are people not engaged in that it's

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so simple you know it's just like a key

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to a castle okay you're given the key

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you open the door instead people are

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bumping against the door with great

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force and saying I know the answer I

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know that's not the way to do it why

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aren't people looking for the key which

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is basically scientific evidence in the

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the case of UAP or until the Galileo

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project there was never a scientific

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project dedicated to collecting data 24

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7 from the sky analyzing it with the

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best computer algorithms why why wasn't

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it done well because it requires work

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because there was a stigma and those

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people who do not want to engage in the

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hard work associated with collecting

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scientific you know it takes time the

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Galileo project took a year to start

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assembling the you know the

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state-of-the-art instruments putting

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them together into an observatory which

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is now functioning and we can talk about

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it but it took a lot of time dozens of

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people you know purchasing the relevant

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components putting them together making

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sure that things work you know it's work

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it's a lot of work it's much easier to

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just comment on that on Twitter or in

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essays and blogs and so forth and then

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retreating to your tribe that claims the

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same thing and feeling good within the

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tribe that that's much easier but the

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point is science is not politics you see

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in politics people can have their

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opinion but in science it's not a matter

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of opinion there is a reality out there

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we need to figure it out and he who

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cares what the opinion of people you

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know are the opinions and you know as a

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scientist you know I feel like I'm loyal

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to my childhood curiosity so I grew up

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on a farm connected to Nature not to

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people and that means that you know when

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I felt frustrated going to dinner as a

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kid you know because the adults in the

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room when I asked a difficult question

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they would ignore it or they would

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invent a storyline that made no sense so

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as a kid I said you know the hell with

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it I'll try and figure out the truth by

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collecting better evidence as a

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scientist that was my goal and the

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privilege of being a scientist is that

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you can figure out the answer okay

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that's the beauty you don't need to go

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back and ask the government to give you

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their classified data you don't need to

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go back and read history books you can

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say okay the sky is not classified I'll

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collect my data I can look at the sky

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what's the problem I can order from

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Amazon the instruments I need I just

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need funding and gladly I received

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generous funding from a lot of donors

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that were inspired by my book

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extraterrestrial so that problem was

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solved so once I know what to do I go

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ahead and do it why do I need to read

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all these history books you know and and

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insist on the government declassifying

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things that they don't want to

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declassify simply because of National

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Security concerns about their sensors I

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don't need the government to tell me

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what's true or what's not the government

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is not a scientific organization right

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so the trademark of my Approach is based

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on evidence and being independent you

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know not care and also not caring about

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how many likes not belonging to a tribe

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going the middle ground which is common

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Guided by Common Sense and unfortunately

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common sense is not common

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yeah and we've seen this over and over

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again like you mentioned with with

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Scientists throughout the past uh you

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know coming out with theories and then

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being able to prove that their theories

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you know hold up that through repetition

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of the experiment and at first it's

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always you know we've seen countless

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movies where you know a professor came

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up with a new Theory or physics is

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explaining it to a whole room full of

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other professors or like oh I disagree

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and this is this is offensive and we've

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seen this over and over again and I

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often think about this subject because

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you know a person in in your position

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sir like and you are super busy all the

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time and the fact that you're able to

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devote your time even to come on our

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podcast and talk about it uh shows your

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who you are as a person right and how

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tenacious you are in seeking and getting

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answers to what you want and not relying

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on the government not relying on other

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scientists I also see it as a an

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important service to educating both the

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public but also my academic colleagues

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about how science is done because you

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see it's it's the problem is not just

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with the public that is not professional

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or not it doesn't have the information

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necessary it's also with my colleagues

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in Academia that are not following the

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scientific method because they pretend

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they know much more than they actually

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know okay because that's good for their

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stature it's good for maintaining not

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not taking risks you know not so the

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lesson to be learned is I mean if we do

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fine with the Galileo project if we do

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find objects that are not human-made and

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are not natural you know they're not

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Birds they're not uh gadgets with made

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in China labels on them

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um if there's something else outside of

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this Earth

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then that would be a very important

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lesson to the scientific community that

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you know we should basically be guided

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by evidence and there is nothing new in

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this message Galileo Galilei try to

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convey look for the telescope don't

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assume anything in advance but we keep

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forgetting it yeah yeah and good point

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at what you said as far as the Galileo

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project collects its own data you're not

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relying on the government or some magic

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to be Declassified you guys have visual

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sensors infrared passive radio you're

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doing your own thing and last time you

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were on our show was about six months

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ago and I remember at that time you had

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been given I think it was 250 000 to do

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a deep sea Expedition uh looking for one

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and a half million well now yeah but

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initially this was like I think November

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when you were on and it was the just

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your kind of preliminary look

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um and so I guess maybe you can

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summarize what it was as far as I

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understand it was an asteroid or a

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meteorite that broke up over the Pacific

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Ocean like 100 miles off of Papua New

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Guinea but something about that led you

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to believe that it may not have just

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been a meteorite correct that maybe you

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can elaborate right yeah so um

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this first reported Interstellar object

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was the size of a football field and it

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was discovered because it reflected

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sunlight it it didn't collide with the

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Earth it just moved past the Earth at a

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distance that is roughly 1 6 of the

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Earth's sun separation but then we

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discovered together with my student Amir

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siraj that there were two previous

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encounters with objects that came from

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outside the solar system they were

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reported by the US government and these

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were meteors roughly a meter in size

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these are objects that collided with the

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Earth and burnt up in the earth

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atmosphere the first one was from

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January 8 2014 so almost four years

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before a muamua and it exploded above

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above the Pacific Ocean an elevation of

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we calculated that its speed was so high

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that it couldn't have originated from

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the solar system must have arrived to

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the solar system in fact outside the

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solar system it moved faster than 95

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percent of all the stars near the Sun so

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it was really fast moving relative to

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even Stars relative to the sun in the

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vicinity of the Sun so we wrote the

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paper about it and the paper was not

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accepted for publication because the

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referees said we don't believe the US

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government they didn't provide us with

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them with the data with uncertainties so

543
00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:45,240
then it took three years for the U.S

544
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:48,360
space command to release a letter to

545
00:21:54,430 --> 00:21:52,140
NASA uh confirming that this is an

546
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:54,440
Interstellar object at the

547
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,679
99.999 confidence and at that point our

548
00:22:04,370 --> 00:22:00,900
paper was accepted for publication so

549
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:04,380
that was three years later 2022 and then

550
00:22:08,029 --> 00:22:06,600
moreover the government released data

551
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,039
about the fireball when the object

552
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,559
exploded as a result of friction with

553
00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:13,440
the air and we calculated that its

554
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:16,500
material strength must have been tougher

555
00:22:21,610 --> 00:22:19,380
than all other space rocks ever recorded

556
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:21,620
by the government in the same catalog

557
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:25,679
272 of them so this was an outlier

558
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:29,120
why would the first Interstellar meteor

559
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,000
be of material strength that is more

560
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:35,220
than 10 times tougher than even iron

561
00:22:39,890 --> 00:22:38,100
meteorites even iron

562
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,900
um and so that was a puzzle and of

563
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,700
course one possibility is that it's not

564
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:44,159
natural that its spacecraft made of some

565
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,820
artificial alloy like stainless steel on

566
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,159
this point I should mention that three

567
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:52,620
years after ramuamua was discovered and

568
00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:54,840
I suggested that it was pushed by

569
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,240
reflection of sunlight there was another

570
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:00,179
object that was actually discovered by

571
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:02,700
the same telescope in Hawaii in

572
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:06,000
September 2020 and it was given the name

573
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,419
2020 so it was also pushed by reflection

574
00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:12,240
of sunlight and had no cometary tale

575
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,179
just like and then the astronomers

576
00:23:20,169 --> 00:23:17,100
realized that it was actually a rocket

577
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:20,179
booster that was launched by NASA in

578
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:24,360
1966 and oh wow and it had thin walls

579
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,000
made of stainless steel so that's why I

580
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,280
didn't evaporate like a comment and

581
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:31,440
because of the thin walls it was pushed

582
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,780
by reflecting sunlight so what I'm

583
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:35,760
saying is the first thing imagine

584
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,100
Voyager

585
00:23:42,770 --> 00:23:40,559
um you know it's about to escape from

586
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:42,780
the solar system imagine it in a billion

587
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:45,000
years colliding with an exoplanet it

588
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:46,740
would appear as a meteor Interstellar

589
00:23:50,990 --> 00:23:49,140
meteor and of course the material

590
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:51,000
composition would be very different than

591
00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:53,640
an iron meteorite or any other natural

592
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:56,280
rock so so what we are planning is an

593
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:58,500
expedition to the Pacific Ocean to scoop

594
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,740
the ocean floor it will not be easy

595
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:04,320
because it's about a mile deep and we

596
00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:07,140
are we already developed the Machinery

597
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:09,659
we plan to use and we got funded at 1.5

598
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:12,299
million dollars all of my funding is

599
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,159
private donations of people that were

600
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,460
inspired I I never did any fundraising

601
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,440
they just came to me and said you need

602
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,299
to go on this Expedition here is the

603
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,799
money wow

604
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:25,140
um and then so we are going there

605
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,440
hopefully in the summer of 2023 and um

606
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,140
we will collect any fragments that we

607
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,600
might find from this meteor and and then

608
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,480
analyze their composition to see if we

609
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,640
are dealing with an object of artificial

610
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,640
origin or or maybe a natural object that

611
00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:43,200
came from an environment very different

612
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,480
than the solar system I mean that would

613
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,580
be by itself also very exciting because

614
00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:49,380
we will learn something new no matter

615
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,140
what and I learned sorry jay I was just

616
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,240
gonna because you mentioned I learned

617
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,919
something myself I thought I had read

618
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:58,320
every article on it but I read something

619
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,419
the other day that said that perhaps

620
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:02,820
umua could have been a broken off piece

621
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:05,340
of a Dyson Sphere and I thought thought

622
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,140
that was amazing you don't hear much

623
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,120
about Dyson's fears and for those who

624
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,220
don't know and maybe I'm correct me if

625
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,200
I'm wrong but a Dyson Sphere is like a

626
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,360
mechanical structure built around the

627
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:18,000
star in order to harness all of its

628
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,700
potential energy so if this is a broken

629
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,320
off piece of something like that it

630
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:24,659
would explain the hardness and all the

631
00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:26,580
rest so maybe you can elaborate on that

632
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:30,440
yeah so that was an idea I had because

633
00:25:35,570 --> 00:25:33,419
omuamua was it did not look like a

634
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:35,580
functional device it looked like more of

635
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,240
a space trash situation where if it was

636
00:25:44,510 --> 00:25:42,000
thin and and strong and flat which I

637
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,520
mean we inferred that it's most likely

638
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,100
flat at the 90 confidence based on the

639
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,960
reflectance

640
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:50,880
um the reflection of sunlight as it was

641
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,240
stumbling the most likely

642
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,400
structure was a flat disk like structure

643
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:58,320
rather than cigar shade this was

644
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:01,140
Illustrated in many places so the

645
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:02,940
question is what's the origin of such a

646
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,960
piece of flat material that is thin and

647
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:09,120
I came across the idea a few months ago

648
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:10,919
and I published a paper about it that

649
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:13,320
you know if you imagine a Dyson Sphere

650
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:16,620
which is uh tiled

651
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,659
um you know and the civilization may use

652
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,520
it for a billion years but then the star

653
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,279
would for example evolve and become you

654
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,679
know destroy life on the planet that

655
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,299
gave rise to this technological

656
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:29,760
civilization that the star like the sun

657
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:32,039
you know the sun will burn up the

658
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,200
surface of Earth in in a billionaire so

659
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:36,840
if such a structure were to exist it

660
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,840
would basically push it out and and

661
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,200
break it up or you can break it up as a

662
00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,260
result of um asteroid impacts I

663
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,659
calculated it's quite you know within a

664
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,880
billion years easily you can destroy all

665
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:53,220
of it so the idea is that such an

666
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,080
abundant Dyson Sphere that is not being

667
00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:57,720
used will be broken up and into pieces

668
00:27:02,110 --> 00:27:00,120
and or more may have been a piece of

669
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:02,120
that and I actually calculated that the

670
00:27:06,890 --> 00:27:04,500
typical dimension of a Mormon the

671
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:06,900
diameter there is comparable to what you

672
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:09,299
expect from disruption by asteroids so

673
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,860
if if we had a Dyson Sphere in our solar

674
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:16,440
system these are the pieces that you

675
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:18,059
would end up with as a result of

676
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:21,000
asteroids hitting it and so and

677
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:22,860
especially you know the one

678
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:25,260
configuration that was talked about in

679
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,820
the literature is making a Dyson Sphere

680
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:29,520
out of light sails which are hovering

681
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,279
above the star and are kept at the fixed

682
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:35,220
Distance by balancing the gravity

683
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:37,740
towards the star with the radiation

684
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:39,900
pressure that pushes it out so if you

685
00:27:44,390 --> 00:27:41,940
balance the two you can hover and it's

686
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:44,400
very easy to basically kick those

687
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:48,960
systems these tiles out if the star gets

688
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:51,480
bright and brighter you know as the sun

689
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:52,980
will get in the next billion years

690
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,340
because they are hanging on the balance

691
00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:58,320
these tiles and if you just make the

692
00:28:02,029 --> 00:28:00,059
radiation pressure stronger then you

693
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,039
kick them out of the system much easier

694
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:04,740
than to kick asteroids or rocks outside

695
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,860
side of a planetary system so so it

696
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,260
offers an explanation for why such

697
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,000
things would be more abundant in

698
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,159
interstellar space than rocks that you

699
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,960
kick out of a planetary system which

700
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:17,940
which are bound gravitationally to the

701
00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:20,760
star here they were hovering and just a

702
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,940
little bit of a nudge can get them out

703
00:28:28,250 --> 00:28:25,260
so all together you know it's a

704
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,260
possibility uh and of course there is

705
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,900
there is the question if if in addition

706
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:33,059
to space trash you have some functional

707
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:36,059
devices like perhaps one or more of the

708
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:38,220
UAP the unidentified aerial phenomena

709
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:41,220
those are of a different nature they if

710
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:43,020
they are functional they should be probe

711
00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:45,539
so it's a completely different story

712
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:48,539
there yeah and with I'm a huge

713
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:51,000
scientific science fiction fan and I I

714
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:53,480
love books and movies where we discover

715
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,340
something of alien technology but in the

716
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,320
movies we always solve it or we always

717
00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:00,000
find out what it is or it turns out to

718
00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:01,500
be bad for us

719
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:04,400
at our current state of scientific

720
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,980
awareness and investigations if we were

721
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,960
to find something that is from alien

722
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,940
technology like when you're doing your

723
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,620
Expedition in the summer

724
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:16,020
how ready are we to be able to see if we

725
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,360
can reverse engineer this material is it

726
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,679
possible that it's going to be so far

727
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:21,840
Advanced that we can't touch it for a

728
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,539
few more centuries no if it's material

729
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,820
we can probably figure out how to import

730
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,220
such materials that should be

731
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:31,919
straightforward but what I see as a

732
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,500
challenge is I think it's unlikely that

733
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:36,799
we will encounter biological creatures

734
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,020
which most of Science Fiction was based

735
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:42,779
on and a lot of religious people favor

736
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,440
and you know again it's irrelevant uh

737
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:48,960
what matters is really uh what can

738
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:51,059
survive in space for the long journey

739
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,220
you you see because with chemical

740
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:55,020
propulsion the way we send our

741
00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:58,799
spacecraft uh the journey will take you

742
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:01,740
know almost a billion years to cross the

743
00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:04,380
Milky Way disk of stars you know and

744
00:30:08,090 --> 00:30:06,360
that's a long time you need a lot of

745
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,100
patience you need multiple Generations

746
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:10,200
so biological creatures are really not

747
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:13,559
uh tuned to survive such a long journey

748
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,140
under the Hazardous conditions of space

749
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,720
you know there are cosmic rays impacting

750
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:20,820
the body of any biological creature I

751
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,440
don't think anything can survive that

752
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:25,380
long okay so what is the solution well

753
00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:28,500
it's in our hands right now we are on

754
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:30,620
the cusp of developing sentient

755
00:30:38,350 --> 00:30:33,679
artificial intelligence systems already

756
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:38,360
gpt4 has a hundred trillion connections

757
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,020
uh only a factor of six shy of the 600

758
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,659
trillion synapses in the human brain

759
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:48,000
okay so we're getting we are already at

760
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:49,399
a point where

761
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:51,860
GPT 4.5

762
00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:54,299
will be more complex than the human

763
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,480
brain okay and that what that what that

764
00:31:01,250 --> 00:30:59,279
means is first of all it will take us a

765
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:01,260
long time to figure it out because we we

766
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:03,480
have you know look how many decades we

767
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,140
neuro uh scientists try to figure out

768
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,120
the human brain and weren't successful

769
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,120
so we will not easily figure out

770
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,179
GPT 4.5 for the same reason we can't

771
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:16,980
figure the human brain protect us decade

772
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:20,460
so there will be it's sort of like an

773
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:21,659
alien

774
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:25,820
baby that our technological

775
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:31,080
belly gave birth to okay so why do I say

776
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:33,779
alien because obviously you can train it

777
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,200
on human-made texts okay that's what we

778
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,320
are doing with these GPT systems we are

779
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:42,299
training them on content from the

780
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:43,039
internet

781
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,980
but just like a baby that becomes a

782
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:49,200
child you know and eventually matures to

783
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,159
become an adult because of its own uh

784
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:56,520
personal experiences uh in the same way

785
00:32:02,870 --> 00:31:59,460
these systems will go beyond the

786
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,880
training phase that we train them and

787
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,520
start gaining experience from

788
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:07,679
interactions with the world and

789
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:11,159
eventually they'll mature to be similar

790
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,120
to adults that hold legal responsibility

791
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,220
for their actions because they become

792
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:19,740
independent of the training period okay

793
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:21,899
we will have to adjust that with our

794
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:24,899
legal system but what I'm saying is this

795
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,500
could look like alien to us uh just you

796
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,299
know this is not unprecedented if you

797
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:32,640
look at the history of Earth you know

798
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,460
they you start with a soup of chemicals

799
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,039
then you get life so life was really

800
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:40,380
alien to Earth you know to start with

801
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:42,299
which was just a soup of chemicals and

802
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:45,539
then you know a few million years ago

803
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:48,539
suddenly you have human intelligence

804
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:52,080
starting you know to kick in and that

805
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,179
was alien to all the animals that

806
00:33:01,090 --> 00:32:58,799
inhabited Earth and still inhabit Earth

807
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:01,100
and human intelligence led the

808
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:05,460
Technologies and and now to AI which is

809
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:08,039
the next phase of an alien

810
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:12,960
being created on Earth okay and and then

811
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,720
of course the question is will we

812
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,460
encounter

813
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,620
similar Technologies or even more

814
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,320
Advanced Technologies from Interstellar

815
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,600
space that visit us because simply

816
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,159
because there is there are other

817
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:30,000
habitable exoplanets around stars that

818
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,039
form billions of years before the Sun so

819
00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:33,960
their clock technological clock was

820
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,019
initiated before hours and then we can

821
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:39,360
sort of look at our future in a way it's

822
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,200
not a time machine it's just seeing what

823
00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,539
will happen to us just because someone

824
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:47,580
else went through that already okay

825
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,519
that's the other benefit of monitoring

826
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,799
this the sky for Advanced Technologies

827
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,779
and the way I think of it is that it

828
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:57,720
will be AI astronauts if we are talking

829
00:34:03,970 --> 00:34:01,200
about functional devices being UAP

830
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:03,980
this would be

831
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,659
controlled by AI okay that's the way I

832
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:08,820
imagine it and of course we can use our

833
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:11,940
AI to figure out their AI you know a

834
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,520
century ago Alan Turing came up with a

835
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,220
concept of the imitation game that's

836
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:19,260
what the touring test is all about he

837
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:21,000
was thinking about our computers

838
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:23,099
imitating humans which is the touring

839
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:25,800
test that everyone is talking about I'm

840
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:27,540
thinking about something beyond that

841
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:31,460
which is our AI systems imitating

842
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:35,040
extraterrestrial AI systems okay because

843
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:37,379
they're more advanced

844
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,200
so you would you would use AI to help

845
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,480
solve the problems or the enigmas that

846
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,000
is part of UAP that's crazy yeah that's

847
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:47,760
my what better brain than an AI brain

848
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,800
it's going to outpace our own so why

849
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:51,300
wouldn't you use your best tool for that

850
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,599
guy and you know um

851
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:57,780
so here is the way I think about this if

852
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:01,140
indeed there are AI astronauts near

853
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:03,540
Earth okay and

854
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:05,099
um so um

855
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,619
they might provide a solution to fermis

856
00:35:12,609 --> 00:35:10,079
Paradox basically what they would say is

857
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,619
you know uh the imagine those

858
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:14,760
extraterrestrials watching Earth okay

859
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:18,500
and they say you know we were really uh

860
00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:22,440
amused looking at you guys humans

861
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:25,859
because we would see NASA sending all

862
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:28,440
these decades probes to Mars to look for

863
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,260
microbes and we would see the City

864
00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:33,480
Community searching for this ancient

865
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:35,700
technology you know that we at the

866
00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:38,040
beginning of our science developed which

867
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,780
are radio signals who is using that

868
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:41,940
anymore nobody and you are looking for

869
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:44,940
that from distant planets while all the

870
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:46,920
time we were sending packages to your

871
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,079
mailbox you know and only over the past

872
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:52,140
decade you checked if there are any

873
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,140
objects around you and you discover the

874
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:57,300
first Interstellar objects these are the

875
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,339
the objects that astronomers discovered

876
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,320
and and the US government is talking

877
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,020
about some anomalous objects that they

878
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,480
cannot explain as drones or balloons and

879
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:08,460
and they would say well that's funny

880
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,400
because the answer to fermis Paradox

881
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,980
where is everybody the answer is simple

882
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:15,680
we are here

883
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,920
congratulations to becoming intelligent

884
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,599
and checking around you you know like

885
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,480
you are going very far away instead of

886
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,940
checking around you first and of course

887
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:28,920
you know that's the mark of an

888
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,920
intelligent species instead of all the

889
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,900
chatter that I hear all the time of

890
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,700
people having opinions and just this

891
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:37,500
morning I got emails from two different

892
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,020
people with opposite opinions one of

893
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,240
them is a skeptic and another one is a

894
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:45,240
Believer and both of them attack me and

895
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:46,440
I you know

896
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:50,280
the the defining signature or trademark

897
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:54,720
of intelligence is stop the chatter

898
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:57,480
that is uninformed

899
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,020
and follow the evidence the data collect

900
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:02,880
evidence and follow whatever it tells

901
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,339
you that's really simple that's what a

902
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,400
kid does and we invent these storylines

903
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,320
and argue with each other and prevent

904
00:37:14,270 --> 00:37:12,000
each other from collecting the evidence

905
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:14,280
that makes no sense

906
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,640
and today especially in these days it

907
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,200
seems like science goes out the window

908
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,420
the minute somebody's emotions is hurt

909
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:24,240
you know and it's crazy and it's good to

910
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:26,040
hear that a professor is still saying no

911
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:28,079
no if I'm going to teach this is what

912
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:29,820
I'm going to teach you can't mess with

913
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:31,320
science science tells you what the

914
00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,680
nature of the universe is right well you

915
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:36,359
know so there was even a political

916
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:37,560
article

917
00:37:41,329 --> 00:37:38,220
um

918
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:41,339
a couple of days ago and then the

919
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,099
reporter Lara Seligman interviewed me

920
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:46,260
and then she said you know it's really

921
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,660
strange because I spoke with someone

922
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,599
with credentials in real estate and then

923
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:54,960
he was negative about what you're doing

924
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:58,560
and I spoke with a scientist the

925
00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:01,740
astronomer who was also negative and and

926
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,540
it seems to me I said what do you make

927
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,520
of it she said well it seems to me like

928
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:07,520
they are just jealous

929
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,680
and I say well I don't really care what

930
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,720
they say you know like the guy that is

931
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,119
has credentials in real estate you know

932
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,000
it's just like a commentator on soccer

933
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:20,520
you know there's someone that sits on

934
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,099
the bench and looks at soccer players

935
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,020
and says oh you should have done it this

936
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,780
way but who is he to tell the soccer

937
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,480
players how to play soccer I mean in

938
00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:32,760
this context of studying UAP it's the

939
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:34,820
work of a scientist you need to be

940
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:38,700
informed about the data for example the

941
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,740
Director of National Intelligence Avril

942
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,079
Haynes she received a bachelor's degree

943
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:46,020
in physics okay and I met her in the

944
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:48,359
Washington National Cathedral a year and

945
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,579
a half ago and she expressed the

946
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:53,579
possibility that UAP might be

947
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,740
extraterrestrial in origin she just

948
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,119
mentioned it in passing because she

949
00:39:02,890 --> 00:38:59,820
doesn't know what some of them are and

950
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,900
then you hear people who are uninformed

951
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,760
she obviously is more informed than they

952
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,400
are she is more educated in physics than

953
00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,700
all these commentators and they dare to

954
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,560
say negative things like where is it

955
00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,380
coming from if you didn't see the

956
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:18,839
evidence you know that National

957
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:21,780
Intelligence agencies so and you're not

958
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:23,940
seeking evidence instead you are just

959
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:26,760
ridiculing the search for evidence then

960
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,599
you are an anti-science person okay you

961
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:33,359
are not willing to go

962
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,460
through the method of Science in finding

963
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:38,280
the truth which is not different from

964
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,700
what happened to Galileo those people

965
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:44,339
who put Galileo in house arrest not only

966
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,400
that they objected to his conclusion but

967
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:49,200
they didn't want to look through the

968
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:51,060
telescope and it's exactly the same

969
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:54,839
phenomena people wanting to prevent the

970
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,240
Assembly of new data new evidence that

971
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:00,720
will guide us and I say well

972
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:04,560
didn't we advance over the past four

973
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,540
centuries don't we think of ourselves as

974
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:08,760
a scientific culture that promotes

975
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,240
evidence like but no no just look how

976
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,579
people react to this subject in the

977
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:16,440
mainstream of science not willing to

978
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:18,599
entertain that possibility and pushing

979
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:22,140
against others doing that and in the

980
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,260
general public as well so it has nothing

981
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:27,660
to do with whether it's within Academia

982
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:31,140
or outside it's just that both sides

983
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,180
need to be educated about how science is

984
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,520
done and I would have hoped that after

985
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,560
four centuries following what happened

986
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,720
to Galileo we would realize that you

987
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,099
know the Earth would move around the Sun

988
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,680
irrespective what you do to Galileo yeah

989
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:45,780
yeah and I think the healthy debate is

990
00:40:52,130 --> 00:40:49,859
good because both sides have a healthy

991
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:52,140
knowledge of the facts like I get your

992
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:53,880
opinion and why you're saying that but I

993
00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:56,280
have my own it's when you have debunkers

994
00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:59,220
people that have a predisposition that

995
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,800
no matter what you tell me my mind is

996
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,480
already made up and in a lot of cases

997
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,820
these people don't even do the work they

998
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:07,500
aren't in the field they're just from

999
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:09,240
the outside throwing rocks on the inside

1000
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,579
and the report you were mentioning is

1001
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:13,680
this the report you wrote with um Sean

1002
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:16,859
Kirkpatrick regarding Mothership okay so

1003
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,300
let me just say a few words about that

1004
00:41:24,410 --> 00:41:21,000
that was just a paper talking about how

1005
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:24,420
to use a known physics to put

1006
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,200
constraints on uip okay that's all known

1007
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,240
physics to put constraints on UAP and we

1008
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,160
mentioned in the introduction some

1009
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,380
scenario of how probes will arrive to

1010
00:41:39,650 --> 00:41:37,200
Earth and frankly I was not sure that

1011
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:39,660
there is enough content there because we

1012
00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:40,380
didn't

1013
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:42,900
show any new data okay as I said

1014
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:45,780
scientific knowledge is promoted yet

1015
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:48,920
there was a huge amount of attention

1016
00:41:53,569 --> 00:41:52,440
given to this unpublished paper just

1017
00:41:57,010 --> 00:41:53,579
because

1018
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,020
I collaborate with the head of Arrow

1019
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:59,520
this office in government established by

1020
00:42:06,310 --> 00:42:03,359
the US Congress and here again I say

1021
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:06,320
you know to those people who do not have

1022
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,420
uh the information

1023
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:11,460
that the government has and that do not

1024
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,619
have the uh knowledge of physics that

1025
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:18,180
you should not comment on something you

1026
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,540
don't know okay and it's just I mean you

1027
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:23,460
can enjoy the soccer match but you

1028
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:25,160
shouldn't tell the players how to play

1029
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:28,500
well said yeah yeah and that's that's

1030
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,060
always even we're talking about the

1031
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:32,280
Louis we're just brushing up on it and

1032
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,960
it's like they'll have somebody on TV

1033
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,000
like yourself you know a Harvard

1034
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,160
Professor a great thinker somebody who's

1035
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,839
actually doing something in science

1036
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,359
instead of just you know writing papers

1037
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:44,220
about theories that we've already all

1038
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:46,619
heard of you're actually pushing you

1039
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:47,820
know science where it's supposed to go

1040
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,400
but they'll have a person like yourself

1041
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:52,140
on a show then they'll have Jim Bob who

1042
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,880
disagrees with you and Jim Bob does not

1043
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,640
have the same credentials as you do does

1044
00:43:00,050 --> 00:42:58,079
not have the amount of years of

1045
00:43:01,550 --> 00:43:00,060
knowledge in research that you have and

1046
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:01,560
quite frankly sometimes not even the

1047
00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,200
mental fortitude uh that you know you

1048
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:05,940
seem to be very alert and some people

1049
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:08,460
aren't and that's what I find funny is

1050
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,599
that they'll have to you know they'll

1051
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,579
make it look as if it has equal weight

1052
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,680
on the TV show well what do you think

1053
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:16,380
yeah the main the main difference

1054
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,319
between just a commentator and myself is

1055
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,020
not so much the knowledge and so forth

1056
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:24,480
it's more to do with the commitment okay

1057
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,380
so I'm putting my time into the Galileo

1058
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:31,920
projects uh allocating funds

1059
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:36,180
for assembly of observatories that

1060
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:39,060
collect new data as we speak very soon

1061
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,180
we'll have more data than ever

1062
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,400
publicized in any UAP report of the past

1063
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,680
very soon the Galileo Pro is already

1064
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:49,619
collecting data all the time 24 7. we

1065
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,980
will have a huge data set and it will we

1066
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:54,839
will continue in the coming months and

1067
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:57,960
years okay so I'm working hard at this

1068
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:01,800
task okay and instead of criticizing

1069
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:04,740
what I say just support the effort

1070
00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:06,780
because I will follow whatever the

1071
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:08,819
evidence shows so if you know what the

1072
00:44:13,010 --> 00:44:10,260
answer would be

1073
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:13,020
you can just say okay I you know it's

1074
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,760
just like betting on the outcome of a

1075
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,440
soccer match you can say I know that

1076
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,260
this team will win fine have a gamble

1077
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,240
with your friends but don't attack the

1078
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,359
players for playing the game okay so the

1079
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,760
point is unless you are putting time and

1080
00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,099
effort into the business of gathering

1081
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,619
seeking the information seeking the data

1082
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,540
seeking the evidence you cannot

1083
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:36,180
criticize those who do it because they

1084
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,099
put their time and effort and you are

1085
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:39,960
just blogging and talking about it and

1086
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:41,700
commenting about it you know it always

1087
00:44:46,210 --> 00:44:44,220
strikes me that those movie critics you

1088
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,220
know they never created the movie okay

1089
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,440
how much work is involved and they still

1090
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,079
can destroy you know the life of an

1091
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,240
actor or the life of a director just by

1092
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,920
saying negative things and you think

1093
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,380
about it it's completely inappropriate

1094
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,839
okay because someone else is putting the

1095
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,400
time and effort

1096
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:05,099
yeah good point good I got on my notes

1097
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,140
here and I wanted to ask this so we had

1098
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,359
Dr Gary Nolan on a couple of months ago

1099
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,720
and I asked him about uh meta materials

1100
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,460
and I said hey I heard there was this

1101
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:16,500
piece of metal supposedly from like the

1102
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,619
40s from a craft uh Art Bell had it and

1103
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:21,480
then Linda Moulton Howe had it and then

1104
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,079
ttsa got it and as I'm talking he starts

1105
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,359
to disappear off screen so I just keep

1106
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:29,040
asking my question and after about 10

1107
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,660
seconds I'm like you better be looking

1108
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,400
for some meta materials like what are

1109
00:45:37,069 --> 00:45:34,680
you doing and he pulls out this little

1110
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:37,079
black thing with a stoner and he's like

1111
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:39,300
yeah here it is right here it's like in

1112
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:42,180
his own home personal study he's holding

1113
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,220
this piece of metal I think it's also

1114
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,319
rumor it's called Arts Parts people will

1115
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:49,619
refer to it as but it's a piece of metal

1116
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,500
of some sort meta material bismuth and

1117
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:55,020
magnesium layers nobody can figure out

1118
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,480
what a practical use would be for it the

1119
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:59,160
cost in making it would be so

1120
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,560
astronomical that there's no way that

1121
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,300
it's a commercial Ben benefit to doing

1122
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,640
this and they can't even figure if it

1123
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,560
came from this planet because of the um

1124
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,599
just the signature of the Alloys right

1125
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,180
so what are your thoughts on on these

1126
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,680
kinds of signatures

1127
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:15,900
um the only concern I have I agree it's

1128
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:18,900
very intriguing the only issue is you

1129
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:21,540
know if a hacker wanted to fool us

1130
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:23,579
then they could they would have done it

1131
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,520
like for example there is this there are

1132
00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:28,800
stories about remote places where

1133
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:31,500
suddenly a spaceship appeared to a bunch

1134
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,619
of kids or some somewhere you know that

1135
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,440
is not monitored and you know maybe

1136
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,119
something like that did I mean it's

1137
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,040
quite likely that something happened but

1138
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,839
it's possible then you ask yourself okay

1139
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:46,319
is it possible that a hacker who wanted

1140
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,280
to create a legend or some story would

1141
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,859
do that if it's possible to do it by

1142
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:55,319
someone who decided to hire or rent an

1143
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:57,540
airplane and just land there in a very

1144
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:01,440
strange way and impress those people who

1145
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:03,480
never saw an airplane of this sort and

1146
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,140
you know that can be done uh okay so as

1147
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,000
long as it can be done by someone with

1148
00:47:14,030 --> 00:47:11,160
the ambition of hacking you you know and

1149
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:14,040
there are other stories like you know

1150
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:16,140
skin skin walker Ranch and the

1151
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,660
geographical location is very well known

1152
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,119
so you can imagine some people are

1153
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:23,040
saying oh let's fool these guys they're

1154
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,540
really looking for something let's

1155
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,579
produce something that they would go

1156
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:29,099
crazy about and and then they go crazy

1157
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:31,079
about it and you say oh well what's the

1158
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:32,520
chance that this would happen in this

1159
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,560
Ranch were they because you will reveal

1160
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,839
the geographic coordinates to anyone and

1161
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:38,760
there are many people that have nothing

1162
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:41,460
better to do than to hack okay and you

1163
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:44,460
sit on the internet so my point is if

1164
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,680
you can imagine a scenario for something

1165
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,260
that you see is unusual you can imagine

1166
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,240
a scenario where it was created by

1167
00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:54,060
humans then you can't be sure okay so

1168
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:56,520
how do you avoid that well if you see an

1169
00:48:02,470 --> 00:47:59,400
object maneuvering in the sky in ways

1170
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:02,480
that human Technologies cannot reproduce

1171
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,119
or if you see something in space that

1172
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,920
has properties that look like a

1173
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,079
technological Gadget but it's not a rock

1174
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,480
you know it's not an asteroid it's not a

1175
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,940
comet but it moves close to Earth so you

1176
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,980
can take a close-up photograph and you

1177
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,900
see screws and bolts on it and you know

1178
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,940
that it's moving too fast to be

1179
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:24,000
propelled by any uh propulsion that

1180
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,819
humans invented before you know and we

1181
00:48:31,329 --> 00:48:29,460
by the way we can tell that because we

1182
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:31,339
have the web telescope and we have

1183
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,720
earth-based telescopes now and if such

1184
00:48:37,849 --> 00:48:35,940
an object shows up we look at it with

1185
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,859
the web telescope we look at it with the

1186
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,839
telescope from Earth and from two

1187
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,700
different directions there are a million

1188
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:44,640
miles apart these two telescopes so it's

1189
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,980
like having two eyes that look at an

1190
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,960
object moving and you can pinpoint the

1191
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,880
three-dimensional trajectory very

1192
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:52,680
precisely and tell whether there is some

1193
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:55,020
artificial propulsion so if you do these

1194
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,060
things and you realize oh this is a

1195
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,980
technological Gadget moving them or

1196
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:01,440
faster than all spacecraft that humans

1197
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:04,440
ever produced which is easy because all

1198
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:08,099
the spacecraft at most moved at tens of

1199
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,540
kilometers per second so you just see

1200
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,040
something moving more than 100

1201
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:13,440
kilometers per second that's it you know

1202
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,720
like if something moves that way and

1203
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,700
it's not just moving based on the Sun's

1204
00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,400
gravity you know that it's a

1205
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,500
technological Gadget you know so there

1206
00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:24,420
are ways to tell for sure you don't need

1207
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,140
to hold the grain of material that some

1208
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:30,240
hacker could have produced or you don't

1209
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:32,760
need to go to a ranch where you don't

1210
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,500
know who is doing whatever they are

1211
00:49:38,569 --> 00:49:36,240
doing out there

1212
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:38,579
um my point is there are ways to prove

1213
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,160
Beyond any reasonable doubt that's

1214
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:42,960
something technological from outside of

1215
00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:45,900
this Earth is coming our way and we

1216
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,200
better focus on those first because

1217
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,640
arguing about things that humans can

1218
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:52,560
hack is not a good approach like if

1219
00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:54,060
there is an object that looks like a

1220
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:56,819
balloon like um you know the four the

1221
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:59,220
four objects that were shut down by the

1222
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,839
US government you know there is no point

1223
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,280
arguing whether there might be extra

1224
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,800
terrestrial or not even though in

1225
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:06,599
principle you know can imagine an

1226
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,280
extraterrestrial technological balloon

1227
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,900
that was dropped on Earth you know you

1228
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,760
can imagine that but there is no point

1229
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:13,560
in doing that because humans can do it

1230
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,680
okay so the simplest if all comes raised

1231
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:18,240
the simplest explanation would be to say

1232
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:20,700
well first of all if you see made in

1233
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,099
China on it you know it's humans uh

1234
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,020
second you know if you retrieve it you

1235
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,480
can check what it is third if it looks

1236
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,579
like something that is very common that

1237
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:31,079
humans do all the time like weather

1238
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:32,700
balloons something you know that it's

1239
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,180
human so let's not work in this gray

1240
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,280
area and focus on things that are

1241
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,560
unusual but could be made by humans okay

1242
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,960
that's not the place you want to be when

1243
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,060
you make a discovery the place where you

1244
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:46,800
want to be is something that cannot

1245
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,000
without you know doubt cannot be related

1246
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:54,300
to humans or to Nature and that's what

1247
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,740
I'm focusing on

1248
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,380
now and again and only in defense of

1249
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:00,359
this meta material that I was so jazzed

1250
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,420
about is the isotopic ratios and I'm not

1251
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,859
a scientist but to my knowledge you

1252
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,200
cannot rearrange that unless you use a

1253
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,880
particle accelerator or something like

1254
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:10,640
that but we have particle accelerators

1255
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,980
sure so do you really think that in the

1256
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,140
40s somebody made and some people have

1257
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,240
even said hey it could just be slag from

1258
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:20,880
like a metal smelting Factory and hence

1259
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,160
all the layers but what is the

1260
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,220
probability of that in that time frame

1261
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,400
and things that exceed I mean metal or

1262
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:30,720
just look at it and go hell we could

1263
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:32,280
barely make that by today's standards

1264
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,680
right and I agree with you most of it is

1265
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,300
probably explainable don't waste your

1266
00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:38,880
time look to the outside but do you

1267
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,619
think that there is a chance there is

1268
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:43,680
some materials that we have from some

1269
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,660
type of other technology or craft or

1270
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:48,119
whatever yeah there is a chance but my

1271
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,040
point is in order to make the first step

1272
00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:52,559
as at convincing everyone to be on board

1273
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:55,260
you need evidence Beyond any reasonable

1274
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,859
doubt just in the courtroom and um and

1275
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,599
so we need to go that in that direction

1276
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,599
okay so instead of arguing forever about

1277
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,240
The Gray Zone you know things that could

1278
00:52:09,470 --> 00:52:07,680
be one way or another and it's just a

1279
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:09,480
matter of probabilities instead of

1280
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,099
arguing about that let's collect

1281
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,260
evidence on something that is beyond any

1282
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,599
doubt because it's sufficient to have

1283
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:17,520
one thing just one thing you don't need

1284
00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:20,700
more than that you know the there were

1285
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,940
hundreds of reports in the uh odni

1286
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:25,619
report to Congress

1287
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:29,359
um hundreds in 2022 hundreds in 2021 and

1288
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:32,700
you know maybe most of them are human

1289
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:35,880
made I mean it's in fact the 2022 report

1290
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,880
to Congress uh admitted that about half

1291
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,240
of the objects might be balloons and a

1292
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,920
small fraction maybe drones they

1293
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:45,599
admitted that so we know it's a mixed

1294
00:52:49,849 --> 00:52:47,819
bag and from the point of view of

1295
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,859
National Intelligence

1296
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:53,040
um you know uh from a point of view of

1297
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:55,319
security threats you want to know what

1298
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:57,780
all of them are so so the work of

1299
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:00,300
government is complementary to the work

1300
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:02,520
of Science in the sense that government

1301
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:05,640
is interested in human-made objects for

1302
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,980
me these are boring and I said that to

1303
00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:10,079
government officials I said look if we

1304
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:12,059
have any data about human-made objects

1305
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:13,559
you can have it I don't want to look at

1306
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:16,380
it you know I if it says made in China

1307
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:17,819
that's boring

1308
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:21,180
to me to them it's their day job

1309
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,180
uh however if it came from outside of

1310
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:26,160
this Earth has nothing to do with

1311
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:29,819
national borders it's a peace uh it's an

1312
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,040
object that is of scientific interest

1313
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,559
science goes across National borders

1314
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:36,359
it's it's knowledge that should be

1315
00:53:42,049 --> 00:53:39,000
shared by All Humans okay so at that

1316
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,059
point it becomes a subject of scientific

1317
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:44,400
inquiry that's where I come to come to

1318
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:46,260
the stage and complement the work of

1319
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,700
government the government is not a

1320
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,920
scientific organization they are mostly

1321
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:51,720
concerned with National Security threats

1322
00:53:57,049 --> 00:53:55,140
and so I say okay well my territory is

1323
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,059
completely separate from your territory

1324
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:58,800
I don't need to know what you're seeing

1325
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:00,540
I'm happy that you're shooting down

1326
00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:03,059
balloons why am I happy because it

1327
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,579
reduces the CL the clutter in the sky it

1328
00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:07,920
reduces the noise as far as let them

1329
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,500
shoot all the balloons let them trap all

1330
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,300
the other objects that are human made I

1331
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:14,280
will be delighted because then in the

1332
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:16,500
Galileo data set I will not have to deal

1333
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:18,599
with those human-made objects yeah so

1334
00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:20,339
I'm happy with at what they are doing we

1335
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,200
are doing a complementary tasks and I

1336
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:24,240
don't care about human-made objects but

1337
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:25,619
the key question that I'm trying to

1338
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:28,619
address is whether one just one or more

1339
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,220
of the UAP and I don't need many of them

1340
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,680
to be here that way just one is of

1341
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,480
extraterrestrial origin

1342
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,880
nice now before we let you go sir I know

1343
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,559
your time is is precious and we want to

1344
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:42,000
hold you to just an hour like we

1345
00:54:45,410 --> 00:54:43,559
promised uh but we have to talk about

1346
00:54:47,569 --> 00:54:45,420
the ninth annual conference that's

1347
00:54:49,130 --> 00:54:47,579
taking place for contact in the desert I

1348
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:49,140
know that you will be attending this is

1349
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:50,579
it virtually that you're attending the

1350
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,920
the conference virtually because it's

1351
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,319
getting close to the time when I need to

1352
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:57,119
go on the Expedition yes well that makes

1353
00:55:01,790 --> 00:54:59,579
sense yeah and it's taken place on June

1354
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:01,800
2nd to June 4th and this is going to

1355
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:03,780
take place at the Renaissance Resort in

1356
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,720
Indian Wells California and uh what is

1357
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:08,579
it you'll have over 60 different

1358
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,400
lectures 40 workshops 11 panels and

1359
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,440
interactive events basically it's a

1360
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,200
plethora of who's who in ufology uh

1361
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,760
that's attending this thing and it seems

1362
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:19,680
like whoever shows up is going to have a

1363
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:21,780
fantastic time there's quite a bit going

1364
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:24,359
on there so how close after this event

1365
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,460
are you taking off uh to do the

1366
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:29,040
Expedition well the date is not fixed

1367
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:30,780
because we are still in the process of

1368
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,420
getting all the permissions

1369
00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:36,480
um uh but it will be this summer and it

1370
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,480
may not be very far after this

1371
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,940
conference but I I don't have a final

1372
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:44,400
date yet nice and Louis do you have any

1373
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,500
final questions for our guests no just a

1374
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:48,240
big thanks to our good friend avilo but

1375
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:49,800
it's always fun chatting with you I love

1376
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,960
uh I love your boldness I love that you

1377
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,420
get pissed off I do too I'm known on

1378
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:56,280
this show for getting fired up and I

1379
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,660
think it's important if it's not for

1380
00:56:01,490 --> 00:56:00,240
people saying let me do my work and if

1381
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,500
you want to play over there play over

1382
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,780
there but just leave me be and good for

1383
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:05,940
you for clarifying too that you're go

1384
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,800
you're using the scientific method to do

1385
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,480
your work you're putting it out there

1386
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,640
for peer review what's other people

1387
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:13,619
doing and you know how do they have

1388
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:16,079
anything to balance that so so thank you

1389
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:17,700
for doing what we're doing we hope you

1390
00:56:22,849 --> 00:56:20,760
win a Nobel Prize and really do yeah the

1391
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:22,859
solution of of dark energy that would be

1392
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,140
phenomenal and uh you make us proud we

1393
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:27,599
are science-minded we are UAP studies so

1394
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:29,220
and if it turns out that you were right

1395
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,900
about the dark energy you gotta come

1396
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,760
back on we gotta talk about that yeah

1397
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,520
but you know a bigger item would be if

1398
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,440
indeed we have technological objects

1399
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:40,079
from yeah yes another civilization in

1400
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,700
our backyard you know that will be much

1401
00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:43,140
far more important for the future of

1402
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,960
humanity so yeah either way

1403
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,000
um I will be delighted to report because

1404
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:50,400
I'm seeking knowledge that would be

1405
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:52,500
shared with all humans so yeah we will

1406
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,040
all benefit from it let's just wait

1407
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,619
until we have the data and it's not

1408
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:01,020
waiting for too long because I think in

1409
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:02,760
the coming year we already have some

1410
00:57:06,349 --> 00:57:04,380
interesting results so I'll be glad to

1411
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,359
appear again for sure yeah and after

1412
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,280
your Expedition and after your Galileo

1413
00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:10,079
project findings are published let's

1414
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,700
have you back on and let's draw some

1415
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:14,220
conclusions if I I should tell you that

1416
00:57:21,170 --> 00:57:18,920
just a week ago I had the 25 emails from

1417
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,180
filmmakers and producers who want to

1418
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:24,000
cover my work in in a documentary and

1419
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:26,099
there was even a playwright that wanted

1420
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:28,020
to that wants to produce a show on

1421
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:30,839
Broadway about my research so wow like

1422
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,059
Avi lobe Superstar with Technicolor

1423
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,280
lights and everything else no the title

1424
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:37,500
of the email and it came just a few days

1425
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,700
before

1426
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:40,740
April Fool's Day and I thought maybe

1427
00:57:44,349 --> 00:57:43,260
it's just a joke but ended up being real

1428
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:44,359
because

1429
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:46,880
uh the guy sent

1430
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,099
attached photos with Barbra Streisand

1431
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,240
and and Dick Van Dyke and they all had

1432
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:57,359
the serial numbers of his cell phone so

1433
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:01,140
that was obviously not a hat uh and but

1434
00:58:06,109 --> 00:58:03,480
at any event the title of the email was

1435
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:06,119
Avi lobe on Broadway and I thought what

1436
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:09,540
is this and it turned out to be real so

1437
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,180
anyway there are people inspired by the

1438
00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:14,760
work and but I'm not distracted I'm just

1439
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,099
focusing on the work and I'm glad that

1440
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:20,400
others find it then uh inspiring yeah

1441
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,660
and they'll make a movie about you

1442
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,400
someday so you know start thinking about

1443
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:25,500
which actor you want to represent you in

1444
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,200
the film right wow I can wear glasses

1445
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:30,240
and part my hair I used to comb it that

1446
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:32,460
way when I was in high school

1447
00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:34,380
love having you Abby thanks again for

1448
00:58:37,549 --> 00:58:36,359
your time we really appreciate it and I

1449
00:58:43,790 --> 00:58:37,559
look forward to chatting you again soon